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Saturday, 25 August 2007

Bravery And Cowardice :-)

By Raja Petra Kamaruddin at Malaysia Today

Khairy Jamaluddin, the Prime Minister’s son-in-law, said that he is not scared of facing or engaging Bloggers. Muhammad son of Muhammad, the Information Chief of Umno, said that Bloggers are pengecut (literally translated to mean ‘shrunken testicles’) because our websites are all located overseas where the Malaysian government can’t touch us.

Actually, it is the local hosting companies who have their servers in Cyberjaya who are pengecut. The instant I mention Malaysia Today, none of the local boys would dare touch us, especially those companies owned by Chinese. I mean, when you watch those Kung Fu movies from Hong Kong and one brave soul like Bruce Lee, Chan Kwan Tai, Ti Lung, Jackie Chan, etc., single-handedly take on 100 bad hombres, you would expect that Chinese in real life would be very brave indeed. Alas, this is not the case.

Back in the Reformasi days, I was quite active in producing Reformasi VCDs. However, the Chinese VCD manufacturers that I approached all turned me down. They had no problems if I wanted to produce porn movies, even gay movies or sex-with-animals movies, but not VCDs of Anwar Ibrahim or Reformasi. In the end I found one Chinese manufacturer who would do it but with conditions attached. Firstly, I had to pay for the order in full, in advance. This was so that in the event the police raided their factory and confiscated the VCDs I would bear the loss, not them. Secondly, they would only manufacture them late at night, after midnight, when no one was around. I would then have to take delivery immediately before the factory opened the next morning and all the staff came to work. Thirdly, I would have to meet them in a deserted underground car park where they would transfer the VCDs over to me. They would then drive off while I would have to wait a few minutes before I drive off so that they can safely be miles away in case I got caught.

That is how scared the Chinese are. So please don’t get taken in by those Kung Fu movies of one hero facing 100 evil people and beating these 100 people with just one punch. The Chinese are scared shit. They do not dare get involved in anything perceived as anti-government. They will manufacture porn. They will act as pimps and run brothels. They will traffic in drugs. They will assassinate MCA leaders and underworld leaders (most times they are one and the same). They will run illegal lotteries and gambling operations. They will run loan sharking businesses and burn your house down and kidnap your children if you do not pay. They will rob banks and goldsmith shops. This, they dare do. But they will never manufacture anti-government VCDs. And they will never, ever host Malaysia Today on their servers.

So that, Muhammad son of Muhammad, is the reality of the situation. And the fact that when Harakah was charged (I can’t remember whether it was under the Sedition Act or the Official Secrets Act) some years back, the Editor, the licence holder and the Chinese printer were all also charged. Harakah, the Editor and the licence holder all pleaded not guilty and fought the case in court. The Chinese printer pleaded guilty and quickly paid the fine. He did not dare contest the case.

So you see, Muhammad son of Muhammad, it is not Malaysia Today or Raja Petra Bin Raja Kamarudin that has shrunken testicles. It is the Chinese. And recently, when the government said it would detain that Chinese student in Taiwan and withdraw his citizenship because he has been perceived as insulting our National Anthem, the Chinese testicles shrunk even more. The Chinese realise that criticising the government is not tolerated and they run the risk of not only being detained without trial, but of losing their Malaysian citizenship as well. So of course no Chinese would dare host Malaysia Today, not even for any amount of money. As far as the Chinese are concerned, better they suffer shrunken testicles then they lose their freedom and citizenship on top of that. And the Chinese realise it does not matter whether you did or did not really commit a crime. It is whether the government says that you have. And if the government says you have, then you have, even if you have not. That is how it works in Malaysia.

Anyway, forget about the Chinese and Chinese host companies. I don’t want the Chinese to say that Malaysia Today is now a Chinese-bashing website. I know that the Chinese are not as sensitive as the Malays. The Malays are very sensitive and any criticism is viewed as Malay-bashing or Islam-bashing. This is what they accuse Malaysia Today of. The Chinese are more tolerant. I mean, I can even shake my keris above my head and threaten to bathe it in Chinese blood and they will not make any police report against me. But if I wave a Kung Fu sword above my head and threaten to bathe it in Malay blood there will be hundreds of police reports made against me. Nevertheless, this is not about the Chinese. This is about whether Raja Petra Bin Raja Kamarudin has shrunken testicles and is ‘hiding’ behind the safety of a website based in a foreign company which puts us out of the jurisdiction of Malaysian laws.

I know it is frustrating when the government cannot touch me. Well, I am prepared to make your job easier for you, Muhammad son of Muhammad. I am going to allow you to organise another gathering at the PWTC like you did last Saturday. I am prepared to step onto the stage and face your 2,500 Umno members in a gathering organised by Umno and repeat all my allegations live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters. I will remove the protection that I now have and throw myself to the mercy of the government to do what it wants to me.

I will repeat my allegation live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters, that Umno misused RM600 million of the tax-payers’ money and gave RM3 million to each of the 191 Umno divisions. And to back up my allegation I will table the Minutes of the Umno meeting where the Umno President and Prime Minister said that the RM600 million is for the Umno Divisions and not for the Parliamentary Constituencies. I shall also prove that the 28 Sarawak Divisions were not included in the package because Umno does not have any presence in Sarawak.

I will repeat my allegation live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters, that, when Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was still just the Deputy Prime Minister, he signed a letter recommending his sister-in-law to become one of the beneficiaries of the Iraqi Oil-for-Food program. I shall table the United Nations and United States Congress Reports that implicate Abdullah Badawi in the Oil-for-Food scandal and which state that bribes were paid to Saddam Hussein and/or his government to get this oil quota.

I will repeat my allegation live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters, that Scomi, a company owned by the Prime Minister’s son, is the beneficiary of more than RM1.5 billion worth of Petronas contracts. I shall table the list of contracts with the amounts involved. I shall also table the testimony of one of BSA Tahir’s family members that Abdullah Badawi personally knew Tahir and was in fact quite close to him and used to go to his house for dinner. In case you have forgotten, Muhammad son of Muhammad, BSA Tahir is said to have been detained under the Internal Security Act which is a law used against those perceived as a threat to Malaysia’s national security. I will of course expect you, Muhammad son of Muhammad, to explain in what way Tahir is a threat to Malaysia’s national security that warrants his detention under the Internal Security Act and whether his detention is merely to prevent the Americans from getting him whereby the full story of Abdullah Badawi’s family’s involvement in the nuclear component scandal would become public knowledge.

I will repeat my allegation live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters, that the house in Perth that the Prime Minister and his then girlfriend, Jeanne Danker, stayed at in December last year is registered in the name of Patrick Lim’s wife. I shall table the title deeds to the house to back up my allegation. In case you did not realise, Muhammad son of Muhammad, Patrick Lim is Abdullah Badawi’s son’s business partner whose company is benefiting from the development of the land around the second Penang Bridge that costs RM2 billion but is being built at a price of RM3 billion through a loan from China. And in case you also did not realise, Muhammad son of Muhammad, Patrick Lim is also the man who is the beneficiary of Terengganu’s RM1 billion a year Wang Ehsan which is being used to finance the Monsoon Cup and pay for the development around Pulau Duyung and that all this is being done on a negotiated-without-tender basis under the direct supervision of the Prime Minister’s Department. Rest assured, Muhammad son of Muhammad, I shall table all the photographs to back up my allegation.

I will repeat my allegation live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters, that the Umno Supreme Council made a decision to sabotage Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad in last year’s Kubang Pasu division election in violation of the party Constitution and Code of Ethics. I shall table Statutory Declarations or signed Affidavits by some of the delegates to the division meeting plus the police reports they made alleging they were paid RM200 each to not vote for Dr Mahathir. I shall also table another police report by one of the complainants that he was beaten up in his home in front of his family by Umno leaders from his division and that he has identified who they are and that nothing was done on all these police reports thus far even though it is coming to almost a year.

Maybe we can focus on these issues first, Muhammad son of Muhammad. There are certainly many more such as the purchase of the RM200 million Airbus, the sale of MV Augusta for RM4.00, the collapse of Proton and the disappearance of billions of Ringgit of its cash reserves, the Scenic Bridge fiasco, the ECM Libra-Avenue Capital merger, and much more. But maybe I can reserve these for Khairy since he said he wants to meet the Bloggers to engage them in a debate or dialogue.

By the way, Muhammad son of Muhammad, I shall also table the letter you wrote to the late Sultan of Selangor denying you had married his daughter and the second letter you wrote asking for forgiveness plus the marriage certificate from Thailand and other documents related to the matter which I have thus far not published in Malaysia Today. I shall further table documents on the RM800 million loss suffered by the Selangor State government when you badly managed (or maybe purposely engineered) the privatisation of Selangor’s water supply to Puncak Niaga. I shall of course expect you, in turn, to table the Selangor State accounts of those years you were its Menteri Besar to explain what happened to the State’s RM3 billion Ringgit, which seems to have ‘disappeared’.

So you see, Muhammad son of Muhammad, I will not be making all these allegations in a website that is based outside Malaysia in a foreign country. I will be making these allegations live, on Malaysian soil, in the Umno headquarters. I will therefore not be immune from prosecution under Malaysian laws if my allegations are false and without tangible evidence to back up these allegations.

It took you two weeks, Muhammad son of Muhammad, to organise last Saturday’s gathering. Would one month be sufficient for you to organise this next one? In the meantime, I shall be working on all my evidence in preparation of the expected gathering in the Umno headquarters. I shall of course be bringing my team along so that they can personally testify as to the authenticity of all these allegations, documents, etc., in the event my word alone is not good enough. I seek your permission to webcast this coming event live on the internet so that all those not able to present themselves at the PWTC can follow the events in the comfort of their homes or offices.

Thursday, 9 August 2007

Chinese Unhappy With NEP


So what's new?

Does it take the International Herald Tribune to tell us that or is it something we quite delightfully sweep under the carpet in favour of more important issues like which two people are displaying affection in public?

Or which transsexual is wearing a skirt?

When the economy is doing well, everyone can afford to turn a blind eye to the injustices. But when things don't look so good, people will either protest or pack up and leave.

I wonder which it will be this time.

After 50 years, you'd think there would have been some form of progress...

Go Get Your Stickers!

It was a bad move, to make that first attack on Malaysia Today. The publicity is overwhelming and heck, might as well market it to glory!

RPK has come up with banners and stickers which he is distributing through a selected network:

DISTRIBUTOR ONE

The Malaysia Today banners shall be ready on Wednesday afternoon - 08/08/2007.

I'll be distributing them at the following locations:

1. One Utama
2. Ikea
3. Bangsar shopping centre
4. Megamall
5. Ampang Point
6. Pasar Keramat
7. Jelatek LRT station
8. Giant Melawati

Date and time will be informed through e-mail. Please make known to readers to send email to me through labisman@yahoo.com.

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DISTRIBUTOR TWO

The Malaysia Today banners shall be ready on Wednesday evening - 08/08/2007.

I'll be distributing them at the following locations:

1. USJ - Summit, Giant , Taipan.
2. Sunway - Mentari, Pyramid.
3. Shah Alam ..Sek 11,15,26,33..
4. Puchong - IOI, TESCO & GIANT.
5. Old Klang Road - Pearl Point, OUG, Tan Yew Lai, Taman Sri Sentosa, Petaling Utama.
6. PJ Old Town, Jalan Gasing - Lotus, Sek 14.

Email: maltoday@yahoo.com

Hand Phone (will confirm later today).

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DISTRIBUTOR THREE

The Malaysia Today banners shall be ready on Sunday 12/8/2007

Non-business hours
- Starbucks - Pusat Bandar Damansara
- Starbucks - Bangsar Village
- Coffee Bean - SS2
- Syed - SS3
- Any place in Bangsar/TTDI/hartamas/Mt Kiara/Damansara/SS2/SS3 for orders over 10

Business hours
Can collect at Menara Telekom

Mail Order
I will be able to mail order, if ppl order 10 or more banners, email me at mtsticker@gmail.com for mail orders/payment and questions.

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DISTRIBUTOR FOUR

The MT car stickers will be ready by Thursday. Postal delivery from Friday onwards. Free postal delivery for order of more than 10 stickers within Malaysia.

Private arrangements can be made for personal delivery at the following locations:-

a) Ampang Point
b) Centrepoint
c) Bangsar Village
d) Hartamas Shopping Centre/Plaza Damas
e) Amcorp Mall, Petaling Jaya
f) Taman Desa/Old Klang Road/Taman Seputeh
g) Kinta District - Gopeng, Batu Gajah, Ipoh (Jaya Jusco), Menglembu and Pusing
h) KL City Centre - Starbucks at The Weld

Email at mtcarstickerorder@yahoo.com.
Tel: 017 3839134

Cheers,

Domino

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DISTRIBUTOR FIVE

We will be very much delighted if Malaysia Today could make an announcement for us. The details of distribution office are as follows:

AUTHENTIC RESOURCES
952 Kompleks Peruda Fasa II
Jalan Sultan Badlishah, 05000 Alor Setar, Kedah.

Contact:
Hakim Halim - 019 - 556 7786
Hafiz - 017 - 656 1908
Hamdan - 016 - 483 1446
Hafdzi - 012 - 4197914.

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DISTRIBUTOR SIX

Distribution from 10th August onwards at:

Starbucks, Tebrau City, JB after office hours 7 till 10 pm
Benson: 016-779 2991 email: dybumi@hotmail.com

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DISTRIBUTOR SEVEN

The MT banners should be ready by Saturday, 11th August. They are available at Galliard International (M) Sdn Bhd, 11-13 Lorong Masjid Pakistan, Off Jalan Hj Hussein, 50300 Kuala Lumpur (next to UUM Kg. Baru, KL).

Thank you.

Yazid bin Sulaiman

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DISTRIBUTOR EIGHT

MT Stickers Distribution points

1. Desa Sri Hartamas (Stock available by 7pm on 08/08/2007)
Kiddies Store
3, Jalan 26/70A
50480 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03-2300 0568
(Shop selling Int. Magazines, Books and Stationery, next to Klinik Segara)
Opening hours: Open daily from 9.00am to 9.30pm

2. Ampang Point
Comic Centre (Stock available by 7pm on 08/08/2007)
Ampang Point Shopping Centre,
Jalan Memanda 3, Ampang Point
68000, Selangor
Opening Hours: Open daily from 10.30am to 9.30pm

3. Bandar Tun Razak (Stock available by 7pm on 08/08/2007)
SS Niaga
No: 10, Aras 2
Pusat Komersial Komunity
Bandar Tun Razak
Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 019-215 1000
Opening Hours: Open daily from 5pm to 12am

4. Keramat and Jelatek (Stock available by 9am on 09/08/2007)
Kedai Kaset dan Majalah
Lorong Ikan Bakar
Pasar Keramat
Opening Hours: 9am to 6pm (Close on Monday and Friday)

5. Kampong Baru (Stock available by 9am on 09/08/2007
Al-Faizuun Enterprise
No. 57A, Jalan Raja Alang, Kg baru
50300 Kuala Lumpur
Opening Hours: 9am to 5.30pm (Close on Sunday)
(Shop selling CDs and magazines. Across Kampong Baru Mosque)

6. One Utama (Stock available by 8pm on 08/08/2007)
Radioactive (Shop selling jeans, hats and dresses)
S215, 2nd Floor
Promenade One Utama Centre
Lebuh Bandar Utama
47800 Petaling Jaya, Selangor
Tel: 03-7724 2578
Opening Hours: Open daily from 10am to 10pm


7. Midvalley Megamall (TBA)

8. Bangsar Shopping Center (TBA

9. IKEA (TBA)

10. Giant Ulu Klang (TBA)

11. Bukit Bintang (TBA)

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AGENTS WANTED

Overseas Delivery and Agents wanted for other states
- For ppl in other states/overseas who would like to distribute, for orders above 100 pieces, will deliver via fedex @ RM 1.20-RM1.30 per piece (depending on locations).

mtsticker@gmail.com

Wednesday, 8 August 2007

RPK's Wife Interrogated


What I like about RPK is that he always publishes the news hot out of the oven. Checking back a few hours later, evidently, even NST thought it worthwhile to produce this bit of news.

From Malaysia Today:

Raja Petra Kamarudin’s wife, Marina Lee, has been summoned to the Dang Wangi Police Station, Jalan Stadium, at 11.00am, Wednesday, 8 August 2007, for interrogation related to the investigation under the Sedition Act launched against Raja Petra.

It is not known whether the police are trying to build up a case against Marina as well so that she can be jointly-charged with Raja Petra.

The rule of thumb is, if you can't find any solid evidence of sedition and misconduct, stick to pure, unadulterated harrassment.

Oh while you're at it, try hitting where it hurts most.

In this case, it would be hauling in the wife for questioning.

You see, RPK is has a devil-may-care attitude, practically thumbing his nose at those who attempt to make him toe the line. Roughing him up is an exercise in futility.

But it's no secret that RPK is very fond of his wife.

Perhaps a pea-brain might believe that Marina Lee was summoned for questioning solely to gain legitimate information pertaining to the case.

I see it as a message from those in power.

"Mess with us and we make everyone around you miserable."

Tuesday, 7 August 2007

The Elusive A319CJ

So the Malaysian version of Air Force One has finally arrived.

If my sources are right, the A319CJ is now a Malaysian registered aircraft going under 9M-NAA. That's nine-a mike november alpha alpha.


Big Dog has the scoop: PM’s aircraft is now in Malaysia

I do wonder, does the PM think he will be able to hold office long enough to enjoy the aircraft?

Or did he plan it as a gift to his yet-to-be-known successor in an act of unprecedented benevolence?

Wednesday, 1 August 2007

Sedition - The Malaysian Definition!

Also taken from Malaysia Today

Deputy Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak once told TV3 in 2004 that if I have insulted Islam or the Rulers then I can be charged under the Sedition Act. And if there are no laws that I can be charged under, added Najib, then the government can always use the Internal Security Act (ISA) against me. Not long after that, they brought me in for interrogation under Section 112 for a crime under the Sedition Act. A week later, they raided my house and confiscated my computer as evidence.

This, we must remember, was after they had done the same about three years before that in 2001. On Hari Raya Haji Day of March 2001, they arrested me under no specific charge. (“Kita akan pikir kemudian,” they said, as they handcuffed me.) And, the next day, they raided my house to confiscate my computer. A month later, on 11 April 2001, they detained me under the ISA.

Well, it’s now three years since that 2004 episode, which, in turn, was also three years after the 2001 episode. It looks like every three years they need to come to my house to confiscate my computer and detain me under a charge they will ‘pikir kemudian’. I suppose, therefore, this time around it should be no different. So expect them to come to my house soon to confiscate my computer and probably arrest me and charge me under the Sedition Act -- or maybe take the easy way out and use the ISA on me again.

The fact that my matter has been raised and heavily debated in the Lower House of Parliament, plus every Umno man and his dog (metaphorically speaking of course) has whacked me (and all bloggers in general), while Nazri Aziz and a horde of others have urged the government to use the ISA against me, probably means that the end is very near. (Not sure yet whether it is my end or theirs though).

Anyway, my reply to them is sharp and simple. Raja Petra seditious? Hogwash! If anyone is seditious it is Umno and until today those propagating a blood-bath have not been made accountable for their actions. Was it not Najib, that ex-Selangor Menteri Besar with two Muhamads in his name, and all those others calling for my detention under the ISA who raised their keris above their heads at the TPCA padang in 1987 and threatened to bathe it in Chinese blood? Was it not Umno in November 1999 during the ceremony to launch Barisan Nasional’s election machinery in the Bukit Jalil Stadium that warned the Chinese if Barisan Nasional was to lose its two-thirds majority in the 29 November general election, just like on 11 May 1969, then another May 13 may erupt?


Yes, who in heaven’s name is seditious? Is it I or Umno? I am alleged to have raised racial tension by allowing comments in Malaysia Today’s blogs that may rub some races the wrong way. Me? Me who has Malay, English, Welsh, Indian, Chinese, Thai, Filipino, etc., relatives who are Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, atheists, etc? Hey, if there was a medal for being the most ‘global’ family I would be he who is most eligible to receive it. My family is almost like a mini-United Nations. And I have not even started dissecting the ‘Malay’ side of my family into sub-groups such as Bugis, Javanese, Minangkabau, etc.

Ah yes. I'm compelled to put in my two-sen worth.

I've been reading Malaysia Today for a while now. And try as I may, I simply cannot find Raja Petra bin Raja Kamaruddin as offensive, regardless of how provocative he may be.

ENOUGH with the denial already!

The skeptic in me tends to think the man exaggerates some, but for the most part, he has proven himself. I still remember the newsflash he leaked about Pak Lah marrying Jeanne Danker. It eventually emerged as the truth, albeit much later.

The man speaks his mind and yes, he speaks the truth - something rare in Malaysia. At least in Malaysian politics, anyway.

His courage is admirable. :) Watch him hammer the fools:
Hey Umno! Yes, you, Umno! You, who accuse me of being seditious and who should be detained under the ISA. I, Raja Petra Bin Raja Kamarudin, is not only accusing you of being seditious, I am also accusing you, Umno, of being the cause of an unknown number of deaths suffered in the 13 May 1969 race riots. And I make this allegation with God as my witness and the testimony of the First Prime Minister of Malaya/Malaysia, Tunku Abdul Rahman, Bapa Merdeka, who went to his grave an extremely sad man and who grievingly said he wished he had died and never lived to see the day that Malaysians would murder Malaysians.


Learning the truth about May 13

The Sun, 27 July 2007

Thank you for your feature on the 1969 riots. This was the first informative article about the event that I have read in my 24 years of life. Never before have I encountered such a revealing account of that episode.

I didn't get it in primary school, neither in secondary school, nor in university either. And all this while I have studied locally. I think somebody somewhere thought that by not exposing young Malaysians to this chapter of the nation's past, we would be better off.

But they should realise that history has a tendency to repeat itself. Thank you for printing the truth. Now we all know what really happened and can learn to avoid it.

The May 13 incident as personally related by Tunku Abdul Rahman, the First Prime Minister of Malaya/Malaysia and Bapa Merdeka

At his residence in Penang, 1972

“It was clear to me as well as the police that in the highly charged political atmosphere after the police were forced to kill a Chinese political party worker on May 4th, 1969, something was bound to happen to threaten law and order because of the resentment towards the Government by the KL Chinese on the eve of the general election. This was confirmed at this man’s funeral on the 9th May when the government faced the most hostile crowd it had ever seen.

Therefore, when the opposition parties applied for a police permit for a procession to celebrate their success in the results of the general election, I was adamant against it because the police were convinced that this would lead to trouble. I informed Tun Razak about this and he seemed to agree.

Now, without my knowledge and actually “behind my back”, there were certain political leaders in high positions who were working to force me to step down as a PM. I don’t want to go into details but if they had come to me and said so I would gladly have retired gracefully.

Unfortunately, they were apparently scheming and trying to decide on the best way to force me to resign. The occasion came when the question of the police permit was to be approved.

Tun Razak and Harun Idris, the MB of the state of Selangor, now felt that permission should be given knowing fully well that there was a likelihood of trouble. I suppose they felt that when this happened they could then demand my resignation.

To this day I find it very hard to believe that Razak, whom I had known for so many years, would agree to work against me in this way. Actually, he was in my house as I was preparing to return to Kedah and I overhead him speaking to Harun over the phone saying that he would be willing to approve the permit when I left. I really could not believe what I was hearing and preferred to think it was about some other permit. In any case, as the Deputy Prime Minister in my absence from KL, he would be the Acting PM and would override my objection. Accordingly, when I was in my home in Kedah, I heard over the radio that the permit had been approved.

It seems as though the expected trouble was anticipated and planned for by Harun and his UMNO Youth. After the humiliating insults hurled by the non-Malays, especially the Chinese, and after the seeming loss of Malay political power to them, they were clearly ready for some retaliatory action. After meeting in large numbers at Harun’s official residence in Jalan Raja Muda near Kampong Bahru and hearing inflammatory speeches by Harun and other leaders, they prepared themselves by tying ribbon strips on their foreheads and set out to kill Chinese. The first hapless victims were two of them in a van opposite Harun’s house who were innocently watching the large gathering. Little did they know that they would be killed on the spot.

The rest is history. I am sorry but I must end this discussion now because it really pains me as the Father of Merdeka to have to relive those terrible moments. I have often wondered why God made me live long enough to have witnessed my beloved Malays and Chinese citizens killing each other.”